Discussion in 'Fiesta ST EcoBoost™ Tuning' started by stuntdoogie, Oct 26, 2013.
Been done in the Focus, no reason it couldn't be done in a Fiesta.
I don't know how much chassis modification the WRC cars get to fit AWD. I've been under mine and the exhaust tunnel is plenty big enough for a drive shaft, and it's right down the middle...
When the community gets bored with full bolt-ons, we'll move to larger turbos (starting with the FoST k03 and ending up who-knows-where). After this then we'll see swaps (salvaged 2.0L ecoboosts being an obvious candidate). I will say this though, putting a heavier engine in the front of the car might require significant chassis tuning if you want to keep the handling as good as stock.
Why not do what they did with the mk1 focus and drop a v8 in?
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because at some point you might want to make a turn?
AWD in the Fiesta would mean a rear independent suspension and subframe to hand the diff....
Do you think the 5.8L GT500 motor would fit?
If FIAT can fit a Ferrari v12 into a 500, then yes.
Only with a really BIG shoehorn!
(Checks bank balance)
No different than in a Focus, every converted rear drive Focus has a custom rear subframe in it or uses existing pick up points on the body for custom control arms to hang the rear axle bits.
Never said it was an easy swap.
There have been several V8 Focus conversions that actually handled a LOT better than the stock Focus which is saying a quite a bit as it's still considered one of the finest handling small cars ever produced.
That said, it was also the ones with the most money spent on them that handled. ATS built a Terminator Cobra powered Focus and even used a modified Cobra IRS in it.
I know that guy well and at some point a car becomes undriveable especially in a fwd. I think the anticipated 250ish hp should work well in the fist!
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Much farther beyond 250hp our cars will start to get undriveable.
I never really understood the point of engine swaps. If you want a certain motor go buy that car. Frankensteining something together seems silly, but that's just me. I think you can look at the way the mk5 GTI was modded to see the path our little FiST will take. I think we'll see turbo swaps and that will be the end of it other than a few odd ball projects here and there.
The car is a great performance bargain. But dropping thousands into a motor swap it becomes much less so.
I think the Fiesta will be able to handle quite a bit more than 250 HP. That said I'm not aiming for much more than that.
If you want a swap for big power, I would look at the new 2.3 and hopefully the Nano V6.
I saw an article in Car and Driver I think and the Nano looks awesome. Hopefully it was set up to swap the heads and to a BMW style top mount turbo. That would be a 400 HP swap that has a stock shaped power curve.
I say a video where Ken blocks mechanic/engineer said that the hardest part of building the wrc car was fitting the 2.0L into the fiesta's narrow frame up front ( and that car is awd, but the motor swap was more of a challenge !! ).
Also. We had to cut the fusion trans to fit with the motor we have into this frame. Doesn't sound like the focus trans and motor would be an easy fit.
But... As stated ( and someone posted a video last time I told this story, lol ). You can swap anything into anything. The 2.0L will fit... Have blow-torch, have welder? Then it will fit. You just may need fenders like the front of Ken Blocks SLIGHTLY modified fiesta
I do like the idea of a base sedan with a fist setup with stock SFI wheels !!!
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My friend from work has a complete stsge 3 kit with stsge 3 turbo upgrade pudhing 320whp on his fist. He daily drives it and 30k miles on it and handles just fine.
There is a big difference in driving something daily using about 1/4 of the available power and driving it at the limit. I would imagine 320whp in a Fiesta ST coming out of a corner trying to put down the power would be almost impossible. The car becomes too unbalanced with that level of power and the lack of traction. There really is a limit to how much power a FWD car can have and still be usable, and by usable, I mean using all the power for somthing other than drag racing.
I also never get the point of engine swaps. I did one to my Mustang, but I took an engine designed for the car and put it in, and it still sucked. It is amazing how much stuff needs to change to work properly. In hindsight, I should have bought a 5.0L LX or GT instead of trying to do a 2.3L to 5.0L swap. The amount of money spent was staggering and the car is still never as right as one built at the factory. I have zero interest in doing another engine swap in my life. If I want a 2.0L Focus ST engine, I will buy a Focus ST. I have also had way too many friends take a very nice car, attempt an engine swap, run out of money, and sell the car for next to nothing to get out of the project. If they would have kept the stock motor, they would still be driving a nice car. Instead, they blew massive amounts of money making something nice into scrap.
Yes I wondered how his traction is but between a complete suspension upgrade and wider stickier tires and a lsd he can keep the power to the ground. He did things properly from what I've seen and heard.
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