Discussion in 'Fiesta ST News and Reviews' started by BRGT350, Sep 2, 2013.
Here are my thoughts on the Fiesta ST after driving it for the month of August.
Good review, thanks
OMG you drank the arm rest cool aid !!! LOL Super Review Thanx
Did you notice he was resting his arm on it !
He has been assimilated
Nope, not resting my arm on it. I actually use the side bolsters of the seats for arm rests. It is too far behind the seat for me to reach. I may have found a slight sliver of light with the arm rest storage area, but still hate it.
Glad you guys enjoy the review! We have some really good technical interviews coming soon that many of you will really enjoy. Our next mission will also be highlighting some of the Fiesta ST design. There is a lot of good stuff on the way.
Glad you roll with it so well too (now where it the clown smiley face?)
yeah, we need a Pennywise Armrest Clown monster emoticon
Cool review, but its so strange ford allowed that arm rest to pass inspection.
Maybe they could have made it telescope? Maybe boomerang company will make a replacement
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Nice review. What octane gas have you been using during this month? Have you changed it up at all between fillups? And if you have, do you notice a difference in performance? Another thread mentioned about a 20/hp lower rating with 87 octane. Just wondering what you've been using with your real world month test. Thanks!
PS. What mustang do you drive? Just curious as I want to wait for the 2015 but can't as I'll need a new car within a few months.
Why are you wearing your seatbelt? Is it holding you back from going off on the armrest?
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thanks for not trashing it over the gravel
Technically, there is nothing wrong with the armrest. Given the seat position, gear lever position, my body dimensions, and arm rest position, I have issues with it functioning as an armrest. I have had some really tall people sit in the car and the arm rest works perfectly for them. Since I am short, the seat is moved way forward, placing the armrest behind the seat. My palm to elbow distance is pretty much the same distance as the shifter (in 2nd, 4th, and 6th) to the tip of the arm rest.
Ford Fiesta ST at Chicago 026 by Bryan Redeker BRGT350, on Flickr
Once you realize that the arm rest is present, you just change the position of your elbow when shifting. It is very rare I actually make contact with it. I have driven all sorts of cars over the years, and I have yet to find a center mounted armrest that will actualy work for me. The S197 Mustang has the worst one for me.
Much like what happened 11 years ago with the SVT Focus, people will be swapping consoles since the non-arm rest people will want one and the arm rest haters will want the consoles without it. Everybody swaps them around and will be happy.
I have been running 93 octane, usually Shell. I tried 91 octane from Gulf and the car seemed to stumble and the economy went down a few MPG. I am thinking it was most likely bad gas and not octane related since I would doubt the difference between 91 and 93 would be noticable.
I have a 1984 Mustang that has been converted over to a track toy, but hasn't been out on the track in years. It is packed full of Maximum Motorsports suspension bits, Cobra brakes, warmed over 302, 6-point roll bar, RaceTech seat, and a lot of chassis bracing. It is a very fun car. I am very interested in the 2015 Mustang as well, but probably not to own one since anything larger than a SN95 seems way too big for me.
One of the Fiesta Movement rules is to wear your seatbelt during filming, but it really wasn't needed since I never left the parking lot. The engine was running for the AC and I did not want the reminder dinger to go off half way through the video, so I just put it on.
I really wanted to run it on the course, but could not do it. The thought of hammering the sides with gravel was just too much. I know other agents jump on their cars, trash the interiors, and treat the cars horribly. I can't do it. If I run a rally cross this year (which is looking unlikely due to our schedule), the ST would have body protection added.
You mentioned that the suspension was stiff, does it feel like it jerks a lot? Cause I just started learning stick so I could possibly get this car (got a 2011 Fiesta right now) I've been driving my friends Jetta, which is very smooth. I drove my friends Honda S2K (a performance car obviously) over the weekend and it was extremely stiff and jerky. Is this what the ST is like?
It is really hard to answer questions concerning what is stiff or not. I find the spring rates and dampers to be perfectly matched, meaning there isn't any harshness over bumps. Typically from what I have found, a harsh ride comes from having a high spring rates without a matched set of shocks/struts. The spring compression isn't dampened properly, so the ride feels harsh. Having too high dampening makes for an uncomfortable ride. I once left my Koni's set to full stiff for the drive back from an autocross and the ride sucked. The spring rates on my Mustang are roughly 4 times that of stock, but with good dampers, the ride is actually pretty good. This is with either urethane, steel, or aluminum bushings and a Kevlar seat. You feel everything on the road with that setup.
There are a lot of factors that go into ride quality and ride perception. Low profile performance tires with high pressures will increase transmission of bumps into the chassis. A stiff chassis will also transmit more feeling to the driver since less forces are being used to twist or flex the chassis. The durometer of the seat foam changes how you feel the bumps. The level of insulation can change your perception of ride quality. Then you get into bushing durometers, unsprung weight, spring rates, and shock valving.
Personally, I find the ride quality to be fantastic. Stiff, controlled, provides great feedback, and produces terrific amounts of lateral, acceleration, and braking traction. Of all the cars I have owned, the SVT Focus and the Fiesta ST are probably the only 2 that would not need a complete new suspension. Both also are the only cars that I have owned (or will own) that don't need performance tires. It is great that the factory produces cars that don't need a list of modifications to make them perform.
I noticed that the front speakers were component speakers (tweeters separate from the woofers) while the back seemed like regular two way speakers. Is that accurate? Would you happen to know the size openings of the speakers (5 1/4 " or 6 1/2). You mentioned you also own a new Escape. Is it with the Sony? If it is how does the sound compare without the subwoofer?
Thanks for the reply. I don't know how this "Agent" thing works. Do they pay your gas as well? It would be interesting to see if or how much 4 or 5 tanks of 87 octane changes the performance and fuel economy etc. of the car in every day driving. If I get a Fiesta ST, it would be mostly used for long highway trips. So I'd personally be using 87 octane when highway driving, but would put in 93 octane when back home for the fun factor. A real world test of 87 octane would be nice, though I know I'm probably in the minority and most will be using 91 and up. Does Ford tell you to use the higher octane? Though I'm sure Ford has done thousands of miles of testing with 87 octane on their own, I would think they'd like to see what a real owner thinks of the car when switching to 87 octane only.
Nice sounding track Mustang by the way. My last Mustang was a 2003 Cobra. Wouldn't even touch the newer style except for maybe the Boss 302. And then it would only be for the high revving V8. Sooo wondering about the 2015 Mustang, but the 2.3 Turbo won't do it for me gas wise on long trips. Oh well, maybe a toy if I can afford it in the future.
Thanks for your input!
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