Fiesta ST Vs. Lancer Evolution

Discussion in 'Fiesta ST Chat and Discussion' started by pewwwp, Dec 26, 2013.

  1. jariten

    jariten Member

    I bet you could get pretty close to 19-20k if you find a '13 GTI still on the lot. '14s here start at 22.5 and go up to 31.

    I have both the cars in my driveway right now and I'd say that the GTI seems to pull harder while the ST is much more agile. The weight difference is extremely noticeable. The GTI also cooks its brakes faster on the same foothill roads that I wring them out on.

    The interior is superior on the GTI, but the seats are better on the ST. I prefer the shifter on the ST, but my wife prefers the GTI. Steering I'd give to the ST. The dog definitely prefers the GTI due to a flatter cargo area, higher roofline, and easier access to the rear windows.

    Both are good cars, it's really a matter of preference thing.
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  3. McRib 1s Back

    McRib 1s Back Well-Known Member

    Good message! Where is "here"? Are we talking USD? :) Leftover models are often steeply discounted, so that's something for a cross-shopper to keep in mind. Here in LA/Long Beach GTIs are readily available. Even the base Golf interior is nicer than an ST, but I'm okay with that!

    My neighbor has a GTI, so I'm pretty sure I can arrange a few drag races/roll-on contests. One other point is that the ST develops boost and a real sense of power super fast. The GTI isn't laggy, but feels that way compared to an ST, wouldn't you agree?
  4. jariten

    jariten Member

    DC metro is here so yup, USD.

    I wouldn't say either of them are particularly laggy. I don't know that I could make that call. I never really do rolls or drag stuff so I'm not the best to ask. I will say that it's much easier to get power down in the ST coming out of a corner because the GTI has a much harder time rotating and has much more pronounced understeer. This is even more noticeable right now since they're both on winter tires. The GTI on winters just straight up plows and takes forever to get the nose where you need it comparatively. It's more predictable in the slush though...the ST likes to wag the rear in bends in the snow.

    GTI is on X-ices ST is on Blizzaks right now FWIW.
  5. McRib 1s Back

    McRib 1s Back Well-Known Member

    I can see a parking lot snow drift video in your future! :)
  6. tubbyaz

    tubbyaz Member

    While I love the Evo, the size/weight/chassis dynamics/horsepower/torque/holy-cr@p-this-is-a-hoot! combination of the FiST is unbeatable. Factor in the constant rumors of Mitsubishi folding up the tent in the U.S., which makes me too nervous to commit to them for twelve years (I tend to keep my cars for awhile).
  7. Mayhem

    Mayhem Active Member

    I wasn't able to get dealers anywhere near close on pricing of GTI's.. A GTI was going to cost me a LOTTTTTT more than my FiST cost me.. All I can say is that locally VW dealers are mental. They wanted my trade-in + 11-14k.. FOR A GTI !!! I got the FiST + 12.5k cash back. No brainer.

    GTI's a nice car though... But it didn't make me grin. I love the Golf R. My only two complaints are that I don't feel the price is justified, and it would have been nice if it had a little more to separate it visually from the rest of the Golf line. (I guess my third less significant complaint would be that it didn't live up to the r32 exhaust note).

    I have to say though... No argument, the Golf R is more car. (You are paying for it, afterall).. But even that car didn't make me grin a fraction as much as the FiST.

    The stab. cntrl issue wasn't an issue for me though, as it is defeatable in Canadian models.

    I wouldn't really consider owning a GTI now that I've got a FiST... but I'd still love a Golf R.... I don't foresee ever going that route though. For that kind of money there are too many other directions that make more sense. Get back to me with an AWD Scirocco R priced a little more competitively and we'll talk.
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  8. Mayhem

    Mayhem Active Member

    Anyway, back to the original topic...

    I don't think you can FiST vs an Evo.... in any direct way..... But as far as a balance between fun/practicality/cost/comfort.... It's an easy choice for me.. And some people are going to weight various factors differently and will choose in the opposite direction.

    Drive both, pick one :) Sounds like either way you'll be stuck behind the wheel of a nice car.

    If cost doesn't matter, and both serve your "needs" then I suppose it boils down to the feeling you get behind the wheel. So get behind the wheel :p
  9. Noah

    Noah Member

    RS4 Avant :D how did you like it?
    Sometimes I hate that USA can't have nice things.

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  10. Purepump

    Purepump Member

    It goes like stink, but sadly corners and brakes like one too. Some proper upgrades is a must to not just turn it into a proper ride but necessary to inspire driver confidence.
  11. RKTFiST

    RKTFiST New Member

    I did cross-shop the Evo with the FiST, and I felt the power and grip of the Evo was at another level. My issues were Mitsubishi's questionable longevity for the interior and body parts, as well as their chances of staying in the US car market, as already stated by tubbyaz. For a daily driver that wasn't going to see the track much, the FiST is a better value.

    After working on German cars, I would avoid anything from VW if you plan on keeping it outside the warranty period. Initial quality is high, but rarely will VW's efforts stay that nice for long.
  12. Max Archer

    Max Archer Member

    Gas, tires, and insurance were the big three factors keeping me away from the Evo. They're awesome cars but the cost of ownership is pretty high.

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  13. McRib 1s Back

    McRib 1s Back Well-Known Member

    Welcome! Good message, and you're with kindred spirit here. Seriously, many of us have had 20+ cars and bikes. I literally have to check my spreadsheet -- but I believe the FiST is car #30, and my two current bikes make it about 30, too. Some of us are old guys, but I'm just barely in my 4th decade of life! :)

    I'll speak for myself here -- this car has caused me to wake up from a really long period of being jaded or unexcited about cars. I sold my 2013 S5 after 3K miles and don't miss it (though I miss my SLK 55 AMG). This car is what could have been the natural evolution of the Nissan SE-R. It isn't. Nissan screwed up after the B14 and SERiously lost its way. Boo. The FiST rocks!

    I'm headed to SoW on 2nd. This car made me want to do track days again. I have not done track days in many years! You've read all the same online material as we have -- the FiST is universally loved.

    Having said that, I needed to make a few tweaks to unleash its potential. The FSWERKS/Cobb APv3 and some sticky tires have made this an unbelievably fun car. Check out my related posts and weigh in there too. :)
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  14. totusPorcus

    totusPorcus Member

    you tried a mercedes cla45 amg? an interesting automobile.. perhaps a bit too heavy, slushy based on your comments.

    i bought the fist, was looking at a new c7 as a second car at the same time and im holding off because of problems. i have a modified WRX runs on e85 too.

    fist is a blast to drive. well worth the price for what it is. part of the fun is its not terribly expensive but still very fun to drive. what i'd really like is a 2.0l awd, dog box sequential version.......
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  15. McRib 1s Back

    McRib 1s Back Well-Known Member

    The CLA is interesting. The AWD AMG variant is a beast -- but over $50K! I cited the CLA in a thread where the GTi was being compared to the ST (how meaningfully different cars get compared all the time).

    Just because I drive a Ford, now, it doesn't mean that I don't like other brands. I love German cars. I love the way they smell, the bank vault door closures, great engines, trick transmissions, and generally better braking systems. I don't love how heavy and uninvolved they have become! :)
  16. McRib 1s Back

    McRib 1s Back Well-Known Member

    Chris Bangle -- go go gadget flame surface design (on everything!). :)

    I absolutely loved the old Z4 M Coupe. It had a compromised rear suspension design but still danced awfully well. It was funky, but I thought it looked a bit like an Aston Martin (if you squinted your brain).

    I'm not worried about light mods here. I'm not going crazy, I'll run the AP programs, an intake, full exhaust, big brakes, coilovers, and call it good! :) This car might become a dedicated race car one day.

    Edit: "Compromised", not "comprised".
  17. McRib 1s Back

    McRib 1s Back Well-Known Member

    If you drive a FiST, see if they'll let you drive it with stability control off, or at least in "sport mode". It's a very different car that way. My dealer *wanted* me to drive it hard, and I did! We had fun, and he told the owner about it. It was probably the single coolest dealer interaction I've had, in this way. They appreciated that I didn't want the weight and loss of structural rigidity associated with a moon roof -- and that I wanted helmet clearance for track days! :)

    I meant to say this before -- the RX-8 is awesome, but scores an "almost" with me. Early models had issues, it is intolerant of pinging of any kind, and it gets really terrible fuel efficiency. It is crazy lightweight and a great handler. Randy Pobst loves it. You can get a deal on one if you go that route. For me, it's like having great memories of an old movie that doesn't stand the test of time. The RX-8 feels dated to me now. You can't be that one-dimensional and be considered a great car.

    Also, the obvious thing about simply getting an E30 or E36? I don't want old car problems there either. :)
  18. McRib 1s Back

    McRib 1s Back Well-Known Member

    At least for the US market, the VWs have a nagging inability to fully turn off stability control. I don't recall this being addressed by APR or other tuners, but surely it must have?! You can't track a car with stability control!

    The new Audi S3 is intriguing. I've had many Audis and will always have a soft spot for them.

    I'd like to drive a manual Golf R, but only if they fix the software. I'm unclear if that's just a US market thing, or if others don't care (or know) that you can't fully defeat it?
  19. McRib 1s Back

    McRib 1s Back Well-Known Member

    PM me, and I'll give you relevant, recent prices and rebates. You can easily get this car for just a couple hundred over true invoice. Go drive one with Recaro seats, sans moonroof. :)
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  20. McRib 1s Back

    McRib 1s Back Well-Known Member

    Ah, good point. Before you decide, test it out. They do break-in. Also some very big guys (as seen on YouTube) really like them. I'm more "wide receiver" shaped, and they felt tight on my shoulders until about 500 miles of use. They just don't work for some people.
  21. pewwwp

    pewwwp New Member

    Very interesting.. what makes you not like the X? From what I have seen, the AWD is superior, and the steering feel is amazing. I love the 9's as well, but buying a used Evolution worries me, so an X would be the next best thing.

    Also, care to touch on the BRZ a bit more? That is also what I am considering, and with how much Chris Harris goes on bout the car, it is hard to ignore, even with the anemic motor.

    Report back once you test drive the FiST, I am eager to get your take on the car.

    I have driven it, and my test drive was a bit boring. No turns, mostly on the freeway. It had more pep that I was anticipating, but I would have really liked to see how it handled.

    McRib: What do you feel is a good price for a bae car with only the recaro option? I've got truecar telling me I can get it for $21,000 AND I have a $500 coupon from Ford to add on top. That is with $100 American Express incentive, $1,500 Fiesta customer cash, $500 Loan retail cash, and $500first time buyer cash.

    Not sure if that is a deal anyone would honor, but I would certainly try.

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