Fiesta vs M3 - Tracked

Discussion in 'Fiesta ST News and Reviews' started by joe@2j-racing, Dec 26, 2013.

  1. joe@2j-racing

    joe@2j-racing Active Member

    Tomorrow I am heading over to Atlanta Motorsports Park (AMP) to take on a challenge from a fellow AMP member/driver. And I put a hefty wager on it. His MTI Racing prepped E36 M3 (gutted, caged, power adders, the works) VS my ST. He knows the track better than anyone. I've been up there about 5 times. Fastest lap of the day wins.

    I've got wilwood front brakes, 2JR custom BC Coilovers, 215 direzza's, and Cobb AP (91oct map) with a K&N drop in. He's got me on weight, HP and chassis. I still think I can take him bc FWD is what I prefer to drive and I dont give up easily. I'll have the GoPro running. We'll see what this little hatch can do against a decent (blah..) german sedan.

    Wish me luck.. oh, the bet is 24 of the winner's finest choice in beer.
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  3. McRib 1s Back

    McRib 1s Back Well-Known Member

    That's excellent! I'd like to see the video, win or lose. Frankly, I like your chances. Good luck, buddy.
  4. McRib 1s Back

    McRib 1s Back Well-Known Member

    ...since he's gutted and caged, remove whatever you can. At the very least, take out the full-sized spare and tools. That's about 30 lbs. I did that on my car, and carry a plug kit and fix-a-flat (you don't need those for the race!). ;)

    You could take out the back seat easily enough, but that might only be another 15 lbs. at the risk of looking "gutted".

    Also, run 5 gallons of 100 octane and you'll surely gain a few HP (but stick with the 91 octane map).
  5. Purepump

    Purepump Member

    My E36 M3 is at 1,230kg with an Euro motor at 271whp plus other bits and bobs. I managed a 1m32.8s at a local circuit, it was my very first time there and the time was set after 20+ laps through 2 days. A tuner shop boss ran his stock everything FiST 3dr there this past summer with a best time of 1m39s (night session). I'll be taking mine there soon hoping to beat his time but IMHO it will take alot for my own FiST to make up the time difference.
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  6. RodMoe

    RodMoe Well-Known Member

    Good Luck Joe and also take out the back seat as well save a few lbs there too :) Looking forward to feedback on how she handles :)
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  7. takuarc

    takuarc Member

    Take off the boot gate and all the doors besides yours :D You gonna need all the weight reduction against a M3.

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  8. stuntdoogie

    stuntdoogie Active Member

    Scribed! Cant wait to see this.

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  9. FiSTofFury

    FiSTofFury New Member

    You didn't say what tires the bimmer is on, I wish you the best, but unless you're on the kart circuit you'll need to be a much better driver than the M3 driver to pull this off, unless you make him drive the 24 before.
  10. Noah

    Noah Member

    Not going to lie, I think i'd put my money on the M3.
  11. stuntdoogie

    stuntdoogie Active Member

    So do I, especially since the M3 driver knows the track better.

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  12. joe@2j-racing

    joe@2j-racing Active Member

    Well the good news is I beat two M3s, among other cars. Porsche, Mclaren, and Bimmer owners were shockingly impressed with the ST. They said things like "never seen a little subcompact put down those kind of lap", "the way it would corner and hold speed was bad ass". That was pretty cool. But I lost to the Blue M3 I was betting against. He was running Direzza Star Specs and I had ZIIs. He pulled me by about 1.5 sec per lap mostly due to the M3s superior tq and ability to just claw out of corners. Our lack of a true LSD, preferably a HSLD held us back a bit. Coming out of the tight stuff the Fiesta would just spin the inside tire. If I was running on stock suspension it would have been worse with more pitch and roll. So to drive this car you have to be aware of when and how much throttle to run otherwise it would just light em , up. Now I do not recommend that anyone drive their Fiesta with this much slip without knowing what you are doing. Some corners I'm nearly pushing 100mph and the car is in a full drift. Please dont try that at home, seriously it bad news people.

    The BC Coilovers were ridiculously good. I ran them on the Street Spec valving and spring rates, same as you will get during the group buy - just to see how well it would do. My first couple laps were with the compression/rebound settings at 5 clicks up from full soft (how I drive them everyday) and there was too much delay between my inputs and what the chassis wanted to do. I pulled in, raised them to 25clicks front, 28clicks rear and kept it that way for the entire day. It was just so nice. Planted, secure, no understeer. I could point it where I wanted it and the Fiesta would hold the line. And that was running just 1.2deg of camber! Nice controlled drifts. I loved it.

    Bad news - I cooked the BP10 pads the wilwoods came with. Thats my own stupidity. I should have never run a street pad at the track. After two hours the pads were gone and I was running on the backing plates. You'll see what I mean when the camera changes location. Next time Hawk DTC60s. Why I overlooked that is beyond me. Thankfully a pad change with the wilwoods takes all of 30 seconds.

    Good news - the fiesta put down lap after lap of abuse without a single complaint. Nearly 30 min of full throttle brought the oil temps to 231deg. Not bad for a turbo car, esp a subcompact one. Water temp was 200-202. Intake air temp was around 94deg. Ambient was 45deg. I ran the car with the 91oct AP map for the first couple sessions with no issue. Then I added 8 gal of 98oct and switched to the 93oct AP map and initially the car did pick up a bit but towards the end of the day tapered back down to 91 map levels or slightly below. There is no doubt the 93 map has issues. I dont think its knock count since we ran high oct.

    So there will be a round 2. This one goes to the BMW
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  13. RodMoe

    RodMoe Well-Known Member

    Sweet thanks for the report..
    Were those pads gone near then end of the video ? Looked like sparks .. Hard to tell on my cell phone .. Lol
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2013
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  14. stuntdoogie

    stuntdoogie Active Member

    Great driving Joe! Love how you made the GT-R submit to you lol
  15. spangenb

    spangenb Active Member

    Joe, it looks from your video like the BC coilovers (and maybe the tires) effectively eliminate the "waggle" handling quirk that I saw on all the stock test drive/track videos ... where the car would step out, tuck back in line, then step out again in an oscillating way during cornering. Do you agree? The car seemed very balanced and the wheel cam showed nicely how well the coilovers control the suspension. Well done :)
  16. McRib 1s Back

    McRib 1s Back Well-Known Member

    Nice work, Joe! You made us proud. :)

    I'm very happy to hear that the "street setup" BC coilovers worked so well! I'm definitely choosing that configuration too.

    Regarding engine power, did you notice the loss of "overboost"? I'm not sure if the Cobb map mitigates or altogether eliminates that -- I've been meaning to confirm this point. It looks like you had enough WOT on long stretches to find out. On the other hand, even a small lift resets the timer (from what I've read). Thoughts?

    On a related note, I'm just about to test the "93 octane v100" map here on straight 100 octane Sunoco fuel (I had perhaps a half gallon left before filling up). I'll post my results soon (back on the other thread).
  17. meFiSTo

    meFiSTo Active Member

    Enjoyed that. Brings back fond memories of thrashing my Powerworks SC'd SVT Focus at our local tracks on lapping days. I'm curious about the interior views from your go pro. I had a cage in my Focus, which made for an easy mount location. How is that go pro mounted to get the inside views? I noticed that your video perspective kind of shifts around as you transition through turns. Is that something you can control? Seems like it's being shot by a passenger in the back seat, which would be very interesting. Thanks.
  18. stuntdoogie

    stuntdoogie Active Member

    Lol I thought he had a camera man in the back.

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  19. RodMoe

    RodMoe Well-Known Member

    I think it's a helmet mount that comes with the go pro kit then the camera and adjustment knuckles just unclip from the tape mounted base . At least that's how my GoPro3 works[​IMG]
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2013
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  20. meFiSTo

    meFiSTo Active Member

    Hah. Doh. Thanks. That makes total sense. I'm wondering if the clubs in our area will permit that. I have plenty of time to figure it out.
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2013
  21. pelotonracer2

    pelotonracer2 Active Member

    Very Nice Joe. Passing all those cars that cost millions... I mean many thousands more that the FiST is an eye opener for sure. Thanks for the vid.

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