FiST in STX

Discussion in 'Fiesta ST Autocross' started by Cligedy, Nov 10, 2013.

  1. Cligedy

    Cligedy Active Member

    I know it's too early to know, but does anybody think that the FiST will be competitive in STX? I'm not planning on a lot of modifications, but I do want to pull the trigger on a change that would put me out of Stock. It's more to improve it for daily driving, and I don't want to fully prep it for the class.

    I don't need to be nationally competitive, but when I pay my $35 entry fee, it's nice to bring home a $2 trophy every once in a while. Would I be playing in the deep end of the pool with this?
     
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  3. ST_Rocky

    ST_Rocky Member

    I began running STX when it first started, and was a provisional class. I used a 2002 WRX then. The cars that I had a 3 way battle with was an old E30 //M3 and a Honda Prelude. I ended up 3rd place (Cal Club in SoCal, which has many top drivers).

    Since then, the BMW 325i and the dreaded "FrankenCivics" have been the more dominant cars - at least when I was last racing some years back. The BMW's due to RWD, but the Civics because of their light weight and handling.

    My suggestions? Go ahead and get a downpipe, a race cat, and a catback exhaust. That will add some extra power. But my strongest suggestion is to put all your time and money into the handling of the car. Do all you can to enable the power to hookup right from the start, and get the suspension setup so you can carry the speed throughout the turns like a Miata can. That is the key to success right there. For I have seen Miatas beat more powerful Corvettes simply because they can take the turns under power, where the Vettes have to lift off and coast through. AutoX is won through the turns and slaloms, not straight line speed.

    In fact, the Fiesta ST may have enough power as is, it is fairly light weight, narrow, and quite nimble. Just need to make it more nimble, and all its power useable - stop the wheel spin, stick better, and enable rotation on demand (oversteer).

    I always made the mistake of thinking I needed more power to win. When in fact, the faster the car, the worse I did. I won more events, and was more competitive with the old WRX and BMW Z3 Coupe 2.8L, than I was with the later fire breathing STi in STU. Part of which was my tendency to use the throttle as an on/off switch, instead of rolling into it. With a slower, and more nimble car, like our ST, might be able to get away with it more.

    Of course, my experience is a bit dated now, as I haven't raced for a few years. So someone more current, up to date may have more to add? But I think we'd all agree - turns are everything. Beat the others through the turns, and you could win.
     
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  4. Cligedy

    Cligedy Active Member

    Yea, I ran an STS2, then STS Miata for a few years, and I am one of the guys who could get through the course faster than the Vettes:) I doubt I will do much of anything to the FiST for handling outside of swaybars and shocks, this thing is already stiff enough for the streets around here. FWIW, this thing already turns in like my Miata did. Lots more body roll and under-steery, but turn-in is great already.

    The thing is, all I wanted to do was get a set of 16" wheels and run stock for the first year using the new street tire rules. I have a pair of seats that I would like to install, more for daily driving than performance, but would bump me into STX. Then it's a slippery slope to go ahead and get a set of 16x8 wheels and run some 225/50R16 to get a few more mph at the top of second. This would still have the car basically as-is, but hopefully in the meat of STX.

    To mod, or not to mod, that is the question:pompus:
     
  5. ST_Rocky

    ST_Rocky Member

    Having had Miatas, then you know first hand what I mean ;)

    As for me, if I can finally get ahead of bills (life has sucked since the crash of 08 for me, IT isn't what it used to be, or the pay), I want to go racing again soon. This FiST has got me all excited again! My plan is street tire stock, adding better tires (Direza ZII or BFG Rivals) in 17", and an exhaust cause I need my "sweet music".

    I've said it many times before. Watching the YouTube videos of the SVT engineer talk about how they designed the car, and how all the systems were integrated to work together, I don't feel the need to change much else. Time will tell if I am right, and if they did their job well.
     
  6. Smokin

    Smokin Active Member

    Per the original post: It depends on your area. Some regions are pretty model heavy for one car or another. Like here in KC there are lots of Minis in several different classes. The competitive BMWs 330s and M's in STX were about equal in raw time to my G-Stock GTI on R-comps.
    I would bet the FRPP autocross suspension w/coil-overs and an ECU tune would have the ST beating up about any regional STXr......
     
    Last edited: Nov 11, 2013
  7. Cligedy

    Cligedy Active Member

    I guess I'll find out, I'm really leaning towards installing the other seats. I can always swap them back out if I need to.
     
  8. limbo

    limbo Active Member

    I think a big factor here will lie in the ability to get wider tires in under stock fenders. I think STX maximum is 255's and 9 inch wheel. I'm sticking with GS with mine but will be following along.
     
  9. Cligedy

    Cligedy Active Member

    I am on the hunt for a 16x8, but would probably stick with 225s, at least to begin with. Rolling the fenders may give a bit more clearance, but I doubt you could get 255s in there.
     
  10. limbo

    limbo Active Member

    With x8 I would try for a 235 or 245 if I were you. In STX you have the potential of being up against RX-8, FR-S/BR-Z/BMW's with RWD and ability to max out tire width. It's going to be hard to replicate those sorts of grip levels, I'd start with the biggest tire you can get in there.

    This, of course, just my $.02.
     
  11. Cligedy

    Cligedy Active Member

    I'm hoping that starting off with a 300-500lb weight advantage will negate some of the need for fat rubber.
     
  12. McRib 1s Back

    McRib 1s Back Well-Known Member

    That's my hope too! While I'm less interested in auto-x, I'm really optimistic that the lower weight will be easier on the tires (and brakes!). I'm prepping my car for SoW on the 2nd, and I'll use the auto-x configuration as a baseline. Do you run your setup with lower pressure? I'm thinking I'll run the DZ II a bit lower than the street (maybe 30 PSI front, 28 PSI rear?).
     
  13. limbo

    limbo Active Member

    I've found the Z2's need higher pressures, with the rear a little higher to help with rotation. I believe I ran mine somewhere in the ballpark of 36f/39r (cold pressures).

    I'd say start near stock 39 and bleed off until you get proper sidewall rollover.
     
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  14. McRib 1s Back

    McRib 1s Back Well-Known Member

    Thank you, that's exactly what I'll do!
     
  15. Slowclimb

    Slowclimb Active Member

    Limbo - how many events have you had your car too? I was trying to figure out tire pressure...with Z1s on my cooper I ran 40 front and 45 rear to get rotation...sounds like a similar set up just with higher pressure. Have you run a higher than stock pressure?
     
  16. limbo

    limbo Active Member

    I've been to three events thus far. I tried higher than stock pressures once and did not like.
     
  17. Slowclimb

    Slowclimb Active Member

    thanks...can't wait till the first test and tune...then I can figure out what I want to order....
     
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  18. Smokin

    Smokin Active Member

    A local KC Ax'r, multi-time National Champion, and friend of mine, is building a Super-Mini for STX.
    He has posted pix of some space shuttle type strut and shocks, springs, mechanical LSD, lightweight rotors and brakes, etc, etc, etc.
    Said he has spent about 1/3 the price of the used 2012 Mini on these parts.
    His only limitation will be the tire size for FWD STX.

    I know there are a few of you out there adding all kinds of go-fast stuff. If you're autocrossing and think you're fast he will be your baseline. Craig Wilcox (for the informed)....ruined my plans to get into STX, dammit.

    So, I am saving lots of money and sticking with G-Street. With the new PAX of 0.806 I'm hoping I can show in our events.
    Including 5 Rallycross events I have 23 weekends and 34 days of competition scheduled including Lincoln and Blytheville Nationals, Rallycross Nationals and the Championships in Lincoln in Sept. That's about 135 runs for the season not including T&T.

    Facebook page should be updated in a week or two. Wahoo Autocross.
    The GTI was "Smokin" due to my fondness of cigars and the hot red hatch.
    Now going back to "Wahoo" and WahooAutocross sponsored by Zeck Ford.
    Will probably change my handle here too...

    If it would only f'kn warm up!!
     
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  19. Cligedy

    Cligedy Active Member

    I've been away from cone-smashing since 2007, so it will probably take a few events to get back up to speed. Also, how do you drive a fwd car fast?
     
  20. McRib 1s Back

    McRib 1s Back Well-Known Member

    Carefully. :)

    Seriously, drive with someone that's fast in a FWD car and watch them (and their line). It's a different beast than RWD or a good AWD car. It's fun and satisfying, but I'm still doing things that upset the car. I'm finding that you can be reasonably fast while not being anywhere near perfect -- on a road course.

    I did my share of cone smashing years ago, and now I'm NOT worried about pesky SCCA rules! ;)

    I'm going to keep tabs on you fast autox guys. It's fun to see what translates into making a car fast for a road course. I'm betting all of you will find success with the FiST!

    Edit: "NOT worried about pesky SCCA rules"
     
  21. Cligedy

    Cligedy Active Member

    I was going through the results from when I was active, and I was not bad. Usually top third in PAX with a very lightly prepped STS/2 Miata. I'm thrilled that I am able to start back and expect the FiST won't dissapoint.
     

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