FiST vs. Modified E30 M3

Discussion in 'Fiesta ST Road Racing' started by MLKN, Aug 3, 2014.

  1. MLKN

    MLKN Active Member

    No contest. (Edit: not competing)

    Last edited: Aug 4, 2014
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  3. limbo

    limbo Active Member

    Congrats on the hpde win haha
  4. MLKN

    MLKN Active Member

    Lol. I'll take a victory where I can. In all seriousness, many auto enthusiasts consider the E30 to be the gold standard so this speaks highly to the FiST
  5. limbo

    limbo Active Member

    Considering you weren't racing, no not really. I've passed many a faster car in my s2000 at hpde doesn't mean the s2000 is faster than a gtr,e92 m3, et
  6. MLKN

    MLKN Active Member

    I see your point. But;

    1. The S2000 is a great track car, outperforming many higher horsepower cars on technical tracks.

    2. No one would ever bet on a FiST vs GTR battle but an E30 is a bit closer in weight and power

    3. The driver was at least moderately trying. But obviously a car is only as good as the driver if closely matched

    4. I don't know about you but I'd love to see a time trial comparison between the two with good drivers. My best lap was 2:22 at the old course.
  7. razorlab

    razorlab Active Member

    I honestly wouldn't brag too much about a 2:22 time. ;) A properly set up any generation M3 would decimate that. 120hp Spec Miatas do 2:07 or so there. So do spec BMW E30's.

    I've passed Vipers, F430 Ferraris, Gallardos, Mclarens, Porsche GT3's, etc before on track. Did that mean I rule and my car rules? Not necessarily.

    HPDR / Open Track events are about having fun, yea it's cool to beat up on other cars but guess what, always somebody faster... most likely in a lesser car. ;)
    Last edited: Aug 4, 2014
  8. MLKN

    MLKN Active Member

    Okay okay. I've edited the original post. 2:07 seems impossible for this car in stock form at this heat. I concede.
  9. razorlab

    razorlab Active Member

    I think you did just fine for your first time at Thunderhill. Thunderhill gets faster and faster the more times you go there. I bet you will pick up 4-5 secs next time you go there.

    I'm pretty sure a well driven stock FiST on good tires can get in the 2.teens if not mid/low 2.teens there, if you can keep it cool. ;)

    Probably low teens with good suspension and tires and decent power on stock turbo.

    Obviously all speculation since I haven't driven my FiST there yet to really see what the potential is. I better not be 20 secs slower than the last time I was there in a different car.
  10. MLKN

    MLKN Active Member

    I'm sure you'll kick my ass but I'd love to hear how you do. What date are you going in the fall? I can try to make it if I don't have a conflict at Sonoma.

    Just for reference a guy from the Bay Area who's driven there 5+ times in a new GTI with upgraded braking system (stock calipers) did 2:19. A turbo BRZ was running 2:09 heavily modified.

    These are best laps in HPDE but occasionally you get a wide open lap and can get a pretty close TT number.
  11. razorlab

    razorlab Active Member

    I'll be there Sept 19th with NCRC. They have another in October and depending on how the FiST does on the 19th I'll be there in it again in October. If not, I'll bring my Evo 10.

    I can almost guarantee (with a big dose of assuming) the FiST will be faster than a MK7 GTi with both being equally set up.

    Can I ask what track video/timer setup you are using? I have a old longacre laptimer I used with the Evo 8 but I think the batteries might have leaked and killed it.
  12. MLKN

    MLKN Active Member

    I have been using trackaddict HD for iPhone which works fine but am going to try Harry's lap timer next time. I have all the peripherals like gps and obd2 reader
  13. RodMoe

    RodMoe Well-Known Member

    Off topic but I will second Harry's it works with both Iphone and Andriod and is very well thought out product.. for the money
  14. was-an-M

    was-an-M Member

    I passed a 996 GT3 and held off an F430 last weekend at Summit. The FiST beats them too :)

    The FiST surprises people. It's awesome. But in most HPDE settings it's the driver, not the car.
  15. McRib 1s Back

    McRib 1s Back Well-Known Member

    Yep, I agree! We have a thread one level up on this topic. I bought "Harry's Lap Timer Pro" and it's worth the money.
  16. MLKN

    MLKN Active Member

    I'm hijacking my own thread but has anyone entered all the data in vehicle set up in Harry's. I don't want to spend all the time pulling the stats. Thanks.
  17. McRib 1s Back

    McRib 1s Back Well-Known Member

    I meant to say "Grand Prix Edition", not "Pro". I think I got my wires crossed on another tool that I use.

    Anyhow, I wouldn't worry too much about the car details. Make educated guesses about your mods, etc.

    Final drive ratio is 3.82, 1st: 3.73, 2nd: 2.10, 3rd: 1.36, 4th: 1.08, 5th .82, 6th .69
    (I've seen slightly different numbers, but this is very close)

    Are you running an OBD II connection for other car data? The wireless (especially cheap Chinese knock-off) based ones are pretty unreliable.

    EDIT: Just saw you already have an OBD reader. Which one? I run a 10Hz external GPS and it makes a big difference (compared to 1 or 5Hz).
  18. MLKN

    MLKN Active Member

    I have a crappy elm327? Wireless one. There are a lot of the same device just rebranded. I've seen comparison tests showing wireless is more responsive than BT
    Last edited: Aug 4, 2014
  19. McRib 1s Back

    McRib 1s Back Well-Known Member

    Okay, right -- I have one of those too. There are literally dozens of varieties of "fake ELM 327" units out there, and you can tell by the price...

    Yes, WiFi is better than BT. Has it been working well for you?
  20. MLKN

    MLKN Active Member

    Overall okay. But one annoyance is the speed is still pulled from GPS and not the speedometer.
  21. razorlab

    razorlab Active Member

    With a 5ghz GPS signal, the GPS would be more accurate. Especially up in triple digit speeds.

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