For all you doubters...

Discussion in 'Fiesta ST News and Reviews' started by Applejack, Jan 29, 2015.

  1. W00ht

    W00ht New Member

    A large part of why the FiST is so good is the price point. That's the reason I bought one over all the other sport compact hatches I shopped. Nothing comes close in terms of performance per dollar in the 2015 model year. If I'm a shopper spending 27-29K instead of 22K then then suddenly there are lot more options with the same performance per dollar value without some of the shortcomings of the Fiesta platform, and the Fiesta is no longer the slam dunk it was at 22K.

    Also the one ford policy isn't as stringent as it would have you believe. First, it's an executive policy that came about during a global recession, and will change based on market performance and reaction to different products. Ford won't spend a bunch of money to safety certify and emissions test different drivetrain combinations if they aren't sure it will sell in a given market.

    And I see very little parity in what is available from Ford in the EU compared to what is available in the US regardless of the one ford policy. While yes the Mustang is available in the EU it is only available in 4 different body/drivetrain configurations compared to the 12 domestically. And no the 16 GT350 isn't going to be available in the UK.

    If (and it's a really big if no matter how you look at it) Ford brings a fiesta RS here I'd be really happy, I really love small fast cars. I won't hold my breath though. There is only so much room for low margin Halo cars in any manufacturers lineup, and a lot more Americans will buy a special Mustang than a special Fiesta.
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  3. captainmorbid

    captainmorbid Active Member

    That's why the RS line would be limited in numbers. Maybe even special order only.
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  4. lill2012

    lill2012 Member

  5. captainmorbid

    captainmorbid Active Member

    Heh... Looks like I may wait a year to see what shakes loose...
  6. madhatter

    madhatter New Member

    honestly, i hope they keep it simple and not get too tempted to put AWD in it. Part of what makes the Fiesta ST so great is its simplicity. Working on it is a cinch, operating it is low cost, and driving it is a complete laugh-riot.

    Hope they don't screw it up. :fingers crossed

    EDIT: i am pretty sure i see calipers peeking through those rear wheels. unless the run of the mill Fiesta is getting 4 wheel discs next year, that's at least the next ST, if not the RS.
    Last edited: Mar 17, 2015
  7. captainmorbid

    captainmorbid Active Member

    There's room for both! ST is volume car that pays for RS. Plus with Mountune and COBB around, a 250hp FWD hotter Fiesta is already available, AWD is assuredly a way to separate the models.
  8. Dyn085

    Dyn085 Active Member

    The ST is definitely not a volume car...
  9. captainmorbid

    captainmorbid Active Member

    It is compared to any RS. There are no limits on STs produced, if they sell they will keep cranking them out. The RS will likely have the same limited availability as the Focus RS.

    So ST is volume car. Relative to anything above it. Same business model as the last 30 years in Europe with the ST and RS lines.

    It is not a volume car compared to a Civic.
  10. Die Trying

    Die Trying New Member

    It doesn't look like there is any sort of rear diff but the rear shots arent the best. Either way, my money is on a fwd FiRS. Personally I think we should be more excited that the RS will use a 1.6 and not the 2.0 from the FoST as some had speculated. If it IS a 1.6 ecoboost the parts should be interchangeable, including the bits that help the RS squeeze out more power, like uprated cooling. Sure there are other aftermarket options but it doesn't hurt to have Ford engineers on the job too.
  11. CSM

    CSM Member

  12. timboslice

    timboslice Active Member

    Yupp, look at the front end..

  13. lill2012

    lill2012 Member

    Not disappointing me. I'm hope they don't make one :)
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  14. Mister_Mino

    Mister_Mino Member

    Judging by the ground clearance, its clearly a 4x4... :facepalm:
  15. BRGT350

    BRGT350 Well-Known Member Staff Member

    while I would agree that it looks to have the vertical intercooler like the 1.0L, the fact that it is paired with two Focus RS's make me think that it is in fact a performance model. Or, a couple of powertrain engineers thought it would be fun to run the next gen Fiesta 1.0L with the RS so all of us would blow up the internet with news of a Fiesta RS. I still have my doubts, but this sure looks more promising than anything reported before. In typical RS fashion, the model comes at the end of the product's life cycle.
  16. captainmorbid

    captainmorbid Active Member

    Glad to see you soften your stance a bit sir.

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  17. BRGT350

    BRGT350 Well-Known Member Staff Member

    Hard to argue too much when a Fiesta mule is running around with a pair of RS's! I am not totally sold on the car being a Fiesta RS. Heck, there is a good chance what is being tested isn't even for the Fiesta. It could be for the EcoSport or something else globally that uses the B299 chassis. There is too many unknowns to say for sure, but the company the car is with leads me to think there is more of a chance now than before.
  18. captainmorbid

    captainmorbid Active Member

    ^ it adds hope to my logic. Looks like I'll hold on to the 11 for a bit longer.... :)

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  19. BlackBird

    BlackBird Active Member Staff Member

    I don't think it's an RS mule either. Ford has even gone on record to say that they are happy with the FiST being the Fiesta range topper. Most of the people who would have bought a FiRS have already bought a FiST anyhow.
  20. captainmorbid

    captainmorbid Active Member

    Ford Performance has muttered quietly that there is room for improvement with the FiST, so if we just end up with a superFiST, I'd be fine with that. I would love a sub compact with AWD and some viciousness, but I'll just have to wait and see... ;)
  21. BlackBird

    BlackBird Active Member Staff Member

    They can 'mutter quietly' all they want. Sure, there's room for improvement. No one has yet made the perfect car. But if I were a bean counter at Ford, I wouldn't be convinced as to the business case for a Fiesta RS, much less in a market generally unfriendly to small cars. This is largely the same reason that Toyota-Scion-Subaru has not made a factory turbocharged or supercharged FRS/BRZ/GT86. Pretty much everyone who was going to buy one, already has (and sales have slumped accordingly). That niche is saturated. And the people who said they'd have bought it, had it more power, like always, had no real intentions of doing so to begin with.

    I'm a fan of the idea of a Fiesta RS. I would love to see one. But I think the case is difficult to make. A lot like the Focus RS, a Fiesta RS would be a limited production car, and as it is, a good number of the people who 'are going to buy an RS' aren't. I'd wager the percentages will translate to any potential Fiesta RS. This isn't like selling someone a good video game and making a hit sequel. Cars are too big an investment, even cheapish cars. To be a step up worthy of getting away from a Fiesta ST, an RS would have to be a lot more hardcore and higher performance--something you can't replicate with off-the-shelf aftermarket parts like bigger turbo kits, forged internals, and a quaife. An AWD system with a mechanical rear diff, and a handbuilt engine would be mandatory.

    To anyone who thinks that's a realistic expectation, think of the cost, and then just look at how many whiners we have that the Fiesta ST is too expensive for 'what it is'. A Fiesta RS of that sort would be a triumph of performance vision over making money.

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