Help: Second gear

Discussion in 'Fiesta ST Chat and Discussion' started by Nendez420, May 12, 2014.

  1. Nendez420

    Nendez420 New Member

    Hey, what am I doing wrong? Second gear is kicking my a$$. I'm jerking so much when going from first to second. I jump in my wife's new automatic Veloster and it's driving me crazy that her drive is so much more enjoyable.

    Let me explain what I'm doing. Ok shifting into first, I find that my timing is better and that I'm having to very slowly let off the clutch. I'm worried that I'm clutching to much all the time. Now shifting into second like right away when the RPM is like 2-3k. Clutch all the way down, little gas and ease off the clutch slowly and I'm still bring jerks.

    What am I doing wrong yall?
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  3. Cligedy

    Cligedy Active Member

    Practice, you'll get it. You may even be over thinking it. I'm pretty sure that I don't push the clutch all the way down for shifts, though.
  4. WScottCross

    WScottCross Well-Known Member

    Shift earlier. First is EXTREMELY short and I found that shifting earlier helps prevent the jerking.
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  5. Nendez420

    Nendez420 New Member

    When stopping I find that it's easier and smoother to just clutch the whole stop and not down shift as down shifting caused jerking to..people say it wears the clutch out though.
  6. Nendez420

    Nendez420 New Member

    If I shift any earlier I find the engine starts to choke.
  7. ghostwhite

    ghostwhite Active Member

    Anytime I let the clutch out too fast it'll jerk more. Try releasing the clutch slower when engaging second

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  8. RodMoe

    RodMoe Well-Known Member

    RUn 1st gear to about 4k then shift quick and feather the clutch and the gas as you bring it into 2nd gear providing you have room to give it gas in 2nd. but like has been said here practice practice practice.. find a old office building parking lot on the weekend and just send a afternoon playing around with learning the car .. Heck I still do the head bob now and again when I shift and get lazy..
  9. Ronbo

    Ronbo Member

    This is the one thing that I don't like about the car. I think the 1-2 jerky shift is caused by the revs hanging up high and taking so long to drop back down. Makes the car feel as though it has a very heavy flywheel, but I think it's programmed in the e-throttle for emissions compliance. Either way drivability suffers.

    I've been driving manual transmission cars for more than 40 years, and the FiST is the hardest to shift smoothly. My old '59 Bugeye Sprite was more refined in this regard.
  10. RodMoe

    RodMoe Well-Known Member

    You are correct on the big azz flywheel and the ECU does use rev hang for shift assist and whatever else
  11. wash

    wash Active Member

    It sounds like you are giving it gas during the shift.

    If you want smooth you have to match revs and when you change to a higher gear, that means the engine must slow during the shift.

    Try taking your foot off the gas and shifting slower.

    Eventually you will get a feel for how much to lift the gas and how fast to shift.
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  12. smatty

    smatty Member

    I find second requires the slowest clutch release of any gears to not be jerky. If I want super smooth shifts I rev to 3k before shifting. I don't know why but it's definitely smoother than when I am economy shifting at >2k for each gear.
  13. bobjob

    bobjob Active Member

    i tend to shift around 2k from 1st and let up slowly on the clutch to second to get no jerk. also the cobb RMM helps
  14. Zormecteon

    Zormecteon Active Member

    It's not that you should let the clutch out slowly, its that you need to wait before engaging the clutch. WATCH THE TACH. Wait for the Rs to fall. .. In the Sprite, the Rs fall off immediately, in the Fords I have, It takes a second or so longer before engaging. Modern cars do this for pollution control.. .. I've never noticed any jerkiness.
  15. ST-in-Mich

    ST-in-Mich Member

    I'm glad I'm not the only one with this problem. i find it will only shift smooth if i take it to 4k in first then clutch in and don't feather it back out until its back down between 2.5k-3k
  16. jfdana

    jfdana Member

    I found that the big/mass flywheel requires a different approach in 1-2, and 2-3 a little less. Basically, the old 2.5 step (lift off throttle, push in clutch & shift - 1st step / then release clutch & hit the gas) makes for unhappy shifting. I had to add a step: lift off throttle, wait a second or two, then clutch & shift, etc.

    I have heard that the recent Cobb tunes throttle the throttle, so to speak, allowing for much smoother shifting.

    I do hope that the Mountune MP215 works the same way.
  17. Smokin

    Smokin Active Member

    Yep, it's either getting on the gas too soon while the clutch is being let out (my guess) or shifting too slow and letting rpms drop.
    Either way you gotta focus on doing it right and practice until it becomes natural no matter what rpm you shift at. Or, at which you shift. Or is it whom you shift?
  18. Nendez420

    Nendez420 New Member

    i think i was riding the first gear too long. I took ST-in-Mich advice, shifting earlier seems to have solved the problem. I just mentally picture it as 1st just gets the car moving and then immediatly into second while easying of the clutch.

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