Is MP215 the way to go?

Discussion in 'Fiesta ST Engine Upgrades' started by Anders Olsson, Dec 30, 2014.

  1. Anders Olsson

    Anders Olsson New Member

    Just got my new ST (only driven 1000km) and is thinking of getting a tune for it. I wanna keep the warranty on it, so it must be Mp215 that is the way to go? I also want as much torque at high rpm as possible as a NA engine without loosing too much midrange torque - which tune is best for that?

    Thanks in advance.
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  3. Firesail

    Firesail Active Member

    If you want to maintain the factory warranty, the MP215 is the only way to go.
  4. Steve@Tasca

    Steve@Tasca Fiesta ST Network Sponsor

  5. CSM

    CSM Member

    At least, until the Ford Racing ProCal unit comes out for our cars.

    That being said, I don't want to wait and so will probably be pulling the trigger on an MP215 soon.
  6. Anders Olsson

    Anders Olsson New Member

    ... and what is a Ford racing procal?
  7. CSM

    CSM Member

    Basically Ford Racing's version of the Cobb AP (in other words, their own ECU flashing device). I'd post a link but I don't have that privelege yet.

    There is still some clarification needed on retention of factory warranty, as apparently, Ford Racing and Ford Motor Co. operate as two different entities.

    No idea when the Fiesta ST version is coming out, but apparently the Focus ST guys are seeing torque increases of literally 90ft-lb at the wheels with a Ford Racing tune.
  8. Anders Olsson

    Anders Olsson New Member

    It makes perfect sense that Fords want to score the aftermarket money, regarding tuning, instead of a third party. Looking forward to this.
  9. The Duke

    The Duke Member

    From my understanding of the FR warranty is that it scraps the OEM FoMoCo warranty and applies a 36K/3 year Ford Racing warranty as long as you run the proper fuel/installed by Ford Racing.

    Why Ford went to the trouble to bring Mountune to the US when they're making OEM FR parts I have no idea.
  10. Tokendog

    Tokendog Member

    Probably because theirs will be better. No offense to Mountune, I love my MP215. But the only reason I'd see Ford Racing not having an issue with it is if they limited Mountune to a improvement that they knew they would be beating with their own warranty covered tuning option. Plus it will be cheaper from initial reports.
  11. Tokendog

    Tokendog Member

    Difference with Mountune is after your factory warranty is up, you can use your MP215 to upgrade to the Mountune Racing options which the sky is the limit on.
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  12. ZREXER

    ZREXER Member

    Is it possible that Ford is just taking the Mountune package and renaming it as a Ford item?
  13. Tokendog

    Tokendog Member

    Highly unlikely. I don't see why Mountune would let them do that as it would basically cannibalize all of their R&D / efforts, even more so than the competition that will be caused by Ford Racing offering a warranty covered product. Unless Mountune somehow convinced the much larger Ford corporation to pay them royalities, which again, I find to be highly unlikely...

    I think what we have is Ford sees there is a demand, has known from previous generations of cars that there is a demand, and is simply catering to that demand - completely irrelevant of the fact that Mountune has and is offering something similar. Ford is doing it's own thing and providing an additional choice. Ford probably can offer a better choice overall because Ford controls what is allowed under warranty and what is not - something that Mountune can not do, as they have to get Ford's approval, and Ford better knows what the limitations of their engine is - even though Mountune is probably very aware of what the Ecoboost engine can do as well.

    Just saying...Ford allows Mountune the luxury of being covered by their factory warranty. So Ford has full control over what options are available as long as you're referring to keeping your factory warranty in tact and modifying the car. (Of course, we're not getting in to the legal requirements set forth by various State and Federal laws)
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  14. Anders Olsson

    Anders Olsson New Member

    What sort of numbers should we be hoping for with the ProCal regarding the Fiesta ST?
  15. CSM

    CSM Member

    I haven't seen any numbers, but considering that its simply a tune (and probably conservative at that, given that it will be warranty friendly), I'd imagine that you'd see about the same as what Cobb stage 1 is pushing.
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  16. CSM

    CSM Member

    FWIW, I just pulled the trigger on a MP215. I'll have it installed and reviewed in the next coming weeks.
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  17. Dyn085

    Dyn085 Active Member

    I would really doubt that. Using the FoST as an example, it requires an intake and two-step colder plugs and the resulting calibration is significantly more torque than any of the other available Stage 1 tunes from 2500-4500 rpm where the majority of driving is done. Basically, they just crank the boost up more than everyone else. I wouldn't call it conservative by any stretch.

    With that being said, I would definitely prefer a custom tune over a canned calibration. Knowing that my car is running optimally on the fuel that I use and in my environment adds peace of mind. I'm curious as to whether Ford offers anything at all for our cars given their low volume of sales.
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  18. Tokendog

    Tokendog Member

    It's kind of pointles, really... at least for the current owners (those that drive regularly). As I'm assuming the 36m/36k Ford Racing warranty that takes over the car's factory warranty with the new tune likely starts from the day the car was purchased.... so by the time this is released, most of the benefit of getting it through Ford will be a mute point. Once you hit the halfway mark on your car's warranty, you should probably just wait it out and get Cobb or one of the other tuners since being in warranty is the point going with the MP215 or this new FR tune... At least with Mountune you can go up to the Mountune Racing stuff which is what I will likely do when my car is out of warranty...

    so really it only makes sense to do FR or MP215 when your car is still fresh and very low in miles.
  19. BlackBird

    BlackBird Active Member Staff Member

    That's a big part of why they're promoted as dealer-install able options or things you can option at-order. For people who'll only have the car under warranty or are leasing, they're a great alternative to the traditional 'tune-at-your-own-risk' approach. Good on Ford & Mountune for providing us with options.
  20. Zormecteon

    Zormecteon Active Member

    For me, the warranty was important, and I wouldn't install without it, (waiting several months for CARB, etc) but more important was KNOWING that I hadn't done anything that would affect the long term (as 200,000 mile) reliability. I plan to hang onto the car till I can't drive anymore (being over 60 years old). For those who plan to use the car up, or sell it on at fewer than 100,000 miles or when their payments are up, --- well its just a different approach to ownership.... YMMV
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  21. Steve@Tasca

    Steve@Tasca Fiesta ST Network Sponsor

    I talked to my best contact in house at FRPP and got two answers from him.

    1- The current FRPP MP215 kit is not verified for the 2015 at this point.

    2- As far as he knows there is no plan to release a Pro-cal FRPP tune for the Fiesta ST.

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