Discussion in 'Fiesta ST Engine Upgrades' started by RobotdevilfieSTa, Nov 23, 2014.
He doesn't have an AP... He has an mTune...
Quoted for truth. There's a difference between the mTune and the regular AP3 that you can purchase from Mountune, despite them being the same physical device. The reason the mTune is locked is due to warranty compliance. If they were to simply send an unlocked device with the MP215 calibration, then people could possibly cause damage with an un-approved calibration and then try to flash back in an attempt to fraud Ford into warranty repair.
Not that anyone would do that...
If warranty is a concern, the MP215 is the only way to go-flash it and be worry-free for your warranty period. For those that don't care about warranty and plan on going further with modifications before your warranty is up then there are a multitude of options and it doesn't mean you have to go with someone other than Mountune. Just be realistic with your plans/goals before purchasing and do your research.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't understand why people buy the mTune and complain about not being able to do more or buy something custom and complain of no warranty.
Not just for warranty considerations did I buy the mp215, but also for assured long term reliability. That is, I'm not just concerned with not having a problem show up during the first three years, but I don't want one to show up for 15 years or more. I'm planning to hang on to this car and not buy another one. Ever. But then again I'm in the older demographic. .. If I were a youngster, and planning to replace this car if 5 to seven years, my decision may have been different, not only in having the tune done, but in choice of ride to begin with. As a side note, this may be the perfect retirement car! Ive seen way too many people make their final automobile purchase a large luxury car. Then I see them just barely sticking over the steering wheel and puttering down the road afraid to hit anything because the car is so large. At least the seat has height adjustment.
I'd argue if you were concerned about long term reliability you wouldn't be running an off the shelf tune, instead you'd have a custom map written for your specific car.
Just saw the MP215 is on sale for $899...save $330... Great price.
Really... Do you know how difficult it is to have a calibration industrialized and approved by Ford? It's a monumental task. Are you aware that we have former Ford engineers working for Mountune? I mean, having the former powertrain engineering manager for Aston Martin and Ford Team RS working for us is no small thing. I don't think you should be concerned.
I'm in no way questioning Mountune, and I would have no concern running any of their parts or tunes, my point is that a tune specific for your actual car (provided the tuner is qualified) will always be better since they can account for things specific to your car/climate/gas/parts/etc.
No, can't say that logic jives. If it did, you should be concerned about driving your Fiesta ST with the stock calibration.
I think my initial response came off as if I was saying that your off the shelf tunes were not good or even great. I was just saying that if you provided a custom tune for a specific car it would be better. Wouldn't you agree? I obviously defer to your knowledge over mine.
In the case of the MP215 kit, specifically... I was blown away with the MP215 calibration. It caused me to rethink my custom work for the Fiesta ST. It is that good.
Quick question: Can you still run 87 octane with the MP215 kit?
No as part of the warranty portion included with the install it states that you must at all times run a minimum of 91 octane or void your warranty. If something happens to the engine the first thing the dealer will check is the gas octane, there was a guy at my dealer that had a blown engine on a newer mustang cobra gt500 and he was on a road trip and filled with what he thought was premium fuel and and it turned out it was actually 87. I think the piston rings failed due to lower grade gas, think that engine was about $30,000 that he had to fork over for a replacement engine
Thanks for the info, I just read it on the Mountune page right after I posted. I know with the Cobb AP you get a variety of maps, with the Mtune do you get things like "Valet mode" or an "Eco mode" maps?
No just the main MP215 tune. A lot of people have said they find the COBB stage 1 tune is rather under whelming. A friend of mine has the Cobb stage 1 tune and I have the mp215 tune, we have driven each other's cars and both agree the mp215 has a noticeable difference to the Cobb stage 1 tune. The Cobb tune unlocks all the torque or boost in the lower gears which can be fun getting all that extra wheel spin whereas the mp215 does unlock a bit more in 1st and 2nd but not all, the key here is to not have too much boost and wheel spin which could cause pre-mature axle or cv joint failure. With mp215 I typically will see about 23psi in 3rd gear, I think my friend said in 3rd with Cobb he will see 19-20psi
How frequently does the MP215 kit go on sale? It's back to regular price of $1229... I live close to Mountune and would be very interested in buying the kit & having it installed there.
Mountune usually has 1/2 dozen or so sales per yer, either site wide 10-13% off or I've seen it as low as $899 I think once. Check their website during holiday weekends they usually post a discount code
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Thanks for your comment! Memorial day just passed, I think its gonna be a while till the next big holiday (maybe something for July 4th?). I've heard about Mountune providing free installation if done at their location in California. I wonder if there is any truth to this?
Never heard about free installation at their location in California, some how sounds too good to be true
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Has anyone actually had the MP215 kit installed at their Ford Dealership? I'm unclear if I need to order it myself then bring it to my dealer to have them install it... Certainly not a streamlined process compared to the European business model.
I bought my MP215 kit directly from mountune then took it to my local Ford dealership to install. The other option you have is buy it yourself then take your car to a red seal licensed mechanic which could be a cheaper option then a Ford dealer. Finally once installed you send a copy of your mountune invoice plus your install work invoice to Ford Racing for warranty registration
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