Realistic dyno numbers for stage 3 And custom tune

Discussion in 'Fiesta ST Engine Upgrades' started by 15pbfist, Dec 5, 2014.

  1. razorlab

    razorlab Active Member

    This is internet BS. Your car MAYBE traps 100 and SS's trap 110+

    Internetz is funny. People can say anything they want. Especially on these Fiesta forums, which is why I barely get on them anymore. So much spreading of total BS.
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  3. Soldjeepforst

    Soldjeepforst Member

    It's not funny when it's actually true. I was running straight 100 octane and it was 44 degrees out. As soon as I shifted out of 4th it was over. I'm not lying here I'm trying to put things in perspective so people can compare. With the backseats out my car only weighs 2603 lbs. If you can't believe that then that's fine. I just got my fist pro tuned from Bill from delicious tuning on a mustang dyno. It made 186whp and 248wtq at 24psi. That's on your standard watered down Cali 91 octane. I know the mustang dynos read low but he told me a stock wrx puts down 200whp on it. Those are the realistic numbers you can expect. If you want to see numbers between 17 and 20% more then run on a dyno jet. THERE IS A FLEX FUEL SYSYEM IN DEVELOPMENT AND YES THE CAR CAN HANDLE THE FULL VOLUME OF E85. I GOT CONFIRMATION OF THAT FROM BILL.
  4. razorlab

    razorlab Active Member

    I don't care if you where running rocket fuel and it was 20* out and you have no interior in your car. If you where even with a 110+ trap speed car in your maybe 100 trap speed car than the other driver was not trying and/or messing with you. 10+ mph trap speed difference is HUGE (see I can do all caps too). Logic is logic and data is data and reality is reality.

    Reality is, your Fiesta is more on par with a Camry, trap speed wise.

    Internet is so silly.

    "Yo dawgs I smoked a Ferrari F430 the other day in my E40 powered stock turbo Fiesta ST, it was awesome. Follow me on instagram all! @fiestastrocketship. #stupidferrari #smoked #wasteofmoney #fiestaisbetterthenallthethings #fordpower #italianssuck #wankers #imonly14anddontreallyownacar"
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  5. captainmorbid

    captainmorbid Active Member

    That's true of most sites on the webz. Except Fiesta Faction, tough to brag with 100 whp. I smoked a guy on a bicycle the other day... and pulled two lengths on a grader from light to light...

    I've been humiliated by diesel pickups on a motorcycle at 130mph, straight line speed... Yawn.
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  6. Dyn085

    Dyn085 Active Member

    Pulled two lengths on a grader, LOL.
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  7. BRGT350

    BRGT350 Well-Known Member Staff Member

    Very true, nobody on the Faction has any kill stories or dyno sheets to brag about. With only intakes and cat-back exhaust systems to chose from, nobody can make any real gains.

    Remember, no posting about street racing. If you have a 1/4 mile time and trap speed you want to share, that is 100% ok since it was recorded on a race track.

    The problem with any comparison between car A and car B is that there are way too many factors. For example, I would bet there are dozens of kids who brag online about smoking my Mustang track car on the street. They are all accurate because there is no way I am going to risk being pulled over in my Mustang for something stupid. You can rev all day on me, pull on me on the highway, and anything else you want, there isn't going to be anyway to get me to race off the track. Even on the track, I am only going to push the car to about 5/10ths of it's ability because I enjoy driving it back home and not risking it. If you were comparing lap times, you would be right in the fact that my Mustang is slower than a lot of cars. The driver's input is a massive factor that can't be ignored when talking about beating car A with car B. You could be giving your ST everything it has and the other guy is giving it 50%. Did you beat him? yes. Is it an accurate comparison? no. Even dyno's have too many variables to be accurately compared.
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2015
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  8. captainmorbid

    captainmorbid Active Member

    I should've mentioned it was not on public roads.

    As for no gains, maybe in the straights. I just remember eRic's open track day vids, reeling in the vette...
  9. BRGT350

    BRGT350 Well-Known Member Staff Member

    eRic could take his 2011 Fiesta and catch me if I was in a F1 car, with a half lap lead.
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  10. eRic

    eRic Active Member

    my FiST traps at 100 mph.
  11. Soldjeepforst

    Soldjeepforst Member

    Just like BRGT350 said since there are only intakes and exhausts available we just can't get any gains. He's a staff member so he's gonna be right no matter what but i did see a little gain with my new intake.

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  12. BRGT350

    BRGT350 Well-Known Member Staff Member

    Clearly you missed the context of the post since it was Captainmorbid and I discussing the non-ST Fiesta and the lack of aftermarket parts.
  13. Dyn085

    Dyn085 Active Member

    Do you have an actual metric showing gains like a before/after dyno or V-Dyno? Boost isn't exactly a prime indicator of bolt-on upgraded performance.
  14. Soldjeepforst

    Soldjeepforst Member

    Yes ofcourse uploadfromtaptalk1424108788005.JPG . I like the mustang dynos because they don't give you these big ass numbers and. It was close my accessport data logs showed 253.4 wtq so pretty close to the 246 the mustang dyno put out.
  15. Dyn085

    Dyn085 Active Member

    So basically you're saying that your gains include the tune and intake-not the intake alone. That's what was confusing me. I have yet to see a third-party verification of any gains with just an intake alone. Not saying it's not there or hasn't happened, just that I don't recall seeing it. If there is any, I can't imagine they are worth the cost of the intake.

    Sometimes I see a new post in a thread and forget to scroll up and remember the rest of the conversation, le sigh.
  16. Soldjeepforst

    Soldjeepforst Member

    I was being sarcastic earlier mines stage 3 pro tuned. Tuned for bottom end torque. on the dynojet I was around 220whp and 300wtq but you can see that's far different. That's on cali 91 gas which is garbage so Bill predicts around 250whp and 330 to 340wtq on e85.
  17. Dyn085

    Dyn085 Active Member

    That actually sounds like you had a bad dyno operator for the DynoJet. I don't think I've seen anyone remotely close to that on 91 octane. Just like stated above, they weren't talking about the FiST only having intakes and cat-backs, they were talking about the normally-aspirated Fiesta-hence referring to the Faction website.

    Fwiw, all of us are tuned for low-end torque because that's all we can get with our baby-turbo. Now I'm really curious as to what I would dyno at because if you're only reading 253 estimated torque then I'm a full 30 ft lbs higher-and that's without an intake.
  18. Soldjeepforst

    Soldjeepforst Member

    By reading what you just typed you are not familiar with a mustang dyno. Let's put this in perspective shall we. A 2015 wrx dynos at 200whp on this dyno so if you have any questions or think somehow this is a bad dyno talk to William Knose at delicious tuning. I'm sure he could answer all your questions. 253 is the actual number I'm putting down from reading the data logs. Not from reading the gauge. My estimated torque reads like 390 or something crazy like that.
  19. golfhack

    golfhack Member

    Fyi, there is a guy on one of the other forums, Ted L. that was protuned by Cobb on 91 and he got 308 tq. I'm on my phone otherwise I would try to find it.
  20. Soldjeepforst

    Soldjeepforst Member

    You are all missing the point I've had my car tuned on a mustang dyno and dynoed also on a dyno jet and yeah the dyno jet is gonna read way higher. Yeah on a dyno jet i made 300wtq but that doesn't really matter to me because it's on a dyno jet. It's a bragging rights dyno. If you want the numbers your car would make on an actual road then tune it on a mustang dyno and it's gonna be 17 to 20 percent lower across the board. Best way to see how much torque you make would be to do a data log on your accessport and then read the logs on your computer and see what that torque reads. It won't be close to 300 that's for damn sure. It will be closer to what you would ready on a mustang dyno. Delicious tuning 1 408-480-0995. Call and ask for Bill and then you shouldn't be so confused anymore. He will answer all yours questions. I get this a lot. "But but a wrx makes way more hp than 200, i read it in a magazine that dyno must be broken man, no way it only puts down 200". Call him and learn something ffs.
  21. Dyn085

    Dyn085 Active Member

    Lol, I have well over 30 pulls on my last car alone because my buddy owned a DynoJet. I know a thing or two about dynamometers, but thanks anyways. I've done a lot of third-party testing, and most anyone that had a Mk3 Focus and was part of FF then transferred here can vouch for that.

    DynoJets read higher due to being an inertia dyno as opposed to a load dyno, but not 30%+ higher. You should only see around a 12% (+/-) difference. That would put you somewhere in the ballpark of 210-215 hp and about 275 ft lbs. It's just ricer-math and doesn't really mean much anyways as you can pull different numbers simply by changing how hard your car is strapped down. It's only a tool for measuring delta-gains, which is exactly what you did.

    You can't say that your torque reads one thing in one post and something different in another. If it's reading 390 then you are either looking at something different or you're getting a false spike. If it happens once, no biggie. If it's happening more than that you should update your AP3 because Cobb has issued updates to fix that. Considering the fact that your datalogs reflect what you see on the screen...or technically vice-versa...

    Anyways, you seem to be the one trying to prove something so whatever-go ahead and do your thing.

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